Talking Feet

Episode 2 - Darren McGarvey (Loki) & Joe Heron (Shogun)

November 15, 2017 Walking Heads Season 1 Episode 2
Talking Feet
Episode 2 - Darren McGarvey (Loki) & Joe Heron (Shogun)
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Talking Feet
Episode 2 - Darren McGarvey (Loki) & Joe Heron (Shogun)
Nov 15, 2017 Season 1 Episode 2
Walking Heads
In this second episode, we invited two local artists with common ground to share their experiences with music in Glasgow. We were joined by Darren McGarvey, who performs under the name Loki, to have a chat with rising talent, Joe Heron, known to many as Shogun. We will hear about early gigs, influential venues and look at not only the common ground but their individual experiences of Hip Hop and Grime in a city often known for bands or house and techno. To kick things off, the guys discuss their time performing in Glasgow. Please note that this episode includes explicit content and swearing. The Talking Feet podcast is brought to you by Walking Heads and produced by Inner Ear. Is there someone in particular you’d like to hear on our podcast? Contact us via twitter for your suggestions. You can subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Mixcloud, Soundcloud and Buzzsprout. To find out more about Walking Heads, go to walkingheads.net. Our intro/outro music bed is by Ryan Gibson and our podcast artwork is by Rae-Yen Song.
Show Notes Transcript
In this second episode, we invited two local artists with common ground to share their experiences with music in Glasgow. We were joined by Darren McGarvey, who performs under the name Loki, to have a chat with rising talent, Joe Heron, known to many as Shogun. We will hear about early gigs, influential venues and look at not only the common ground but their individual experiences of Hip Hop and Grime in a city often known for bands or house and techno. To kick things off, the guys discuss their time performing in Glasgow. Please note that this episode includes explicit content and swearing. The Talking Feet podcast is brought to you by Walking Heads and produced by Inner Ear. Is there someone in particular you’d like to hear on our podcast? Contact us via twitter for your suggestions. You can subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Mixcloud, Soundcloud and Buzzsprout. To find out more about Walking Heads, go to walkingheads.net. Our intro/outro music bed is by Ryan Gibson and our podcast artwork is by Rae-Yen Song.
Speaker 1:

I can't wait to demonstrate to anybody that stay in music. However, as of the end that you can really be. I mean, you'd get an NSA analyst and just like force for old stub on this. I'm Dennis. I'm one taste in western. You hang our candidate. It's getting done. Do you know what I mean? And let glaze guy not saying this is buying in is add or say that you could go in and be on the water.

Speaker 2:

Hi, I'm Amanda Mitchell and welcome to the walking heads talking free podcast. And this second episode we invited to local artists with Coleman grind share their experiences with music in Glasgow. We were joined by Dad and Garvey, who performs under the name lucky to have a chat with rising talent. Joe Haden known to many as Shogun. We will heat up to airlie gates, influential venues and look at not only the common ground, but they're individual expediencies of and ingrained in a city, often known for bonds or House and techno music.

Speaker 1:

Um, data and mcgarvey I perform on the name was, my name is c a and

Speaker 3:

got a bit common boom heading Shogun, eh, potluck through mfdn going album coming soon. Don't have a book coming out. So, you know what I mean? Like I'm, I'm the, I'm the weak link in Noumea.

Speaker 4:

I'm bringing it back. Fuck them all. Thinking the to sector that pop off the box. He's watched them all back in my head when the bullies me. Oh No. Oh No. I'm just trying to kick things off. The guys discussed that

Speaker 3:

performing in Glasgow and Glasgow and Glasgow. Was it nice and sleazy? NFTM me. Abby in Komal. Tommy. I didn't remark. I Made Him Promise Academy who is lit. Hey Lane. And it was just. And they slit some did popcorn. It was just slit footage. The footage looked park and all that Cota Body. They will do an anonymous member. I was just starting like watching. I was just starting watching these guys for blood. They will project an enemy in order and like some like Koda body was just suddenly like seconds. So my to your trap. Shit. I was obviously, what the fuck is that? Sleep. That's my father. That was my foster expedience. Classical music, all that and like got my first Gig was my first actual Gig was done in audio, but then there's sex pumps come up to the snow shed and myself. Pure sway palms. What?

Speaker 3:

I'll hike donald my balls at that. No asleep. But as it was just like anybody that came up to try and talk to me, I was just like pot as fuck. I was building anxiety, right? I was just like, I'm going to fuck up and then I'm going to say he'd been taught me not be just stills code up. Did it way before where we thought the code. That will praise your. It makes well shit. It'd be really just read. Hadn't heard. We will walk in and each other on the stage and shit. At least you have identified the problems. Leo In like I took so many eyes are long, would just cannot let that just kinda shake. It was real. It was. Must have been. We'll realty watch. Just be actually like good. I even know that. Then when I was dealing with also pop and then I jumped on green and that's when everybody was like, oh, this guys get falsely used. Normally people just prefer not to fast shit. Don't even cared if they pick up on a track. And again, because I kind of did I fucking, I don't know what, how about that? The Globe was basically and just gone and taken seriously.

Speaker 1:

My foster care guide, remember, Eh, obviously I performed a lot and Paul and all that, but my first gig that I remember was it the close of votes and it was, eh, that after those, which was a crew comprised of gas and Oscar who goes on a bone and eh, donny, Don, and they had this say that the, the was an automate obviously like I've written was back then, but it was like that's pure, like dark cannot almost sort of like a electronic and sensible dental. All I even programming the machines and all that life. Uh, but it was like this cannot let dark, heavy electrical, like the opposite of what you would imagine. I blame wrapper. What a great name in general. I mean like nothing at all, not in like that's just what our ministry, what I'm fading as well to pull my Dick Shit.

Speaker 1:

Like, like a salt rock on LSD, a set. Can I use a comic book? You know what I mean? It's like that. So like that was when I first went ended up venue. That's was the first time I had been exposed to that. So unbundling that pop, like a phone that quite and accessible at foster and quite frightening because like Michael who's one of the MCS, he would look at you and he performed the within stock show and they would have this intense look. It was all part of the performance on that time. I had to have his deeper understanding. I have pop culture at the table. Do you know what I mean? So of identity on the stone, what the status was. So I just thought they were affordable for these people don't like me and I'm new here. That doesn't annoy anybody. I didn't have a credit.

Speaker 1:

And so when I'm at an gas puget false pearson and say hello. And he knew me detailed to me. Now, but I was drinking bucket and taking what I've allowed you to be, but on the agent not, but that was my first gig and actually Adam in, but we even and realizing that there was a much bigger than what I thought that was. There was lots of different characters. Probably most surgeons I bet on the front ends of the spectrum. So I was really, I was Kinda, no, no except eat straight away, but nobody likes it was the problems when able to have a really gave me any problems and I told him he was just slip whatever. If I was to get people just walk away, you see me and they sweat off my back. We got to kind of come in at noon.

Speaker 1:

I know most places you go, the people will know who you are, so it makes it easier for La Monja. Obviously that brings problems at all, but it brings problems and they'll be able to. People people don't see yours, just like yo leach, just shogun superhero. What clubs are currently thriving and Glasgow, what, what do you go in and eight clubs and glazed fly or what? Not or anything like work, so I don't you in jeans man. Been fucking bones. Bone cells are decades. Pretty much every club in Glasgow, you know, jeans and all that. But Berkeley sweet, sweet. Because I know Tom. No, that was good. That was good fun. Even if it's not even. Not that many people playing the fucking last name, but that was like, that's where a couple of venues where what became Mac steady or which is the seventh year along the road there.

Speaker 1:

Sophos Empire, wacky me basically cutting more all that. And the La Kitty. Oh, the club night or he had that night mate and gigs. That's what I made everybody minds. Me Used to kick over it and say we'll beat so and then he picked me up, put me up on the art skills. You know what I mean? I remember that hanging my last dog, j logo, a lot of money and all that shit and I just. And I just kinda went through being kind of made them a drink with me getting a bulk mail tens to them by the member. He poked me up. I our school. This is another one of their biggest producers in the world and I remember looking back on that and we've talked about that sentence start with many doctors, every message. I said, God damn well and uh, but he was late. You still owe me 50 quite fill out beat. Call it. You've got that. And what I remembered for that when I looked back on it was the police were forecast and are weird. We couldn't understand back then and now we, I wish I had been focused back then. Joe tells us a bit where his background did hip hop and Pecan and intense following his gained center success on Youtube Acumen.

Speaker 3:

Tediously try leaks start rotting because I bet the 16 and 17 where calls and all that dropped it. As soon as the music went, as soon as the music was what I was getting foods and views enough while I was off while I was buying, I was like, yes, no it up. Pull it out. Vulcan was fucking like pfeiffer's infused and 40 days buying up. I was like, I was like, that's buying fucking. That is the most. Because I probably mine these days and they go off foods and abuse and I, you know, we bought a few, got down, it was not so happy and all that. I say yes

Speaker 1:

buying and that's killer for that,

Speaker 3:

but it's like I went from hobby for news and views, happy for Pfeiffer's halfway for five foods and views. He woke up the next day and it was fucking meet foods and the foods and views and shit and I'm falling on. The Guy who filmed it last year paid for this shit, like what the fuck is going on? And it's like nine and I'm getting fucking emails. 50 unit.

Speaker 1:

Everybody might say talk to you this,

Speaker 3:

these ideas. And I was like, I've never had this. I've never had the wheel. It was just mildly. I just, I sandy those. That's glass ceiling. It was like the accent was whether it was my voice, but they still look in my eyes or whatever. I don't know whether as an overview, I watch at noon asleep. I'm numb to Canada. I'm like, children, I'm good floors and I love performing it live and that's when I feel it. I'm like a fuel up my fucking uncles. Their removed, you know, I mean like in the office, my body expediencies and monthly. It's close to lake man. It's like the best feeling I could hope we're taking drugs that did not turn and I can hear people no just in the front room, the fucking back and screaming analytics back at me and I'm just like, what

Speaker 1:

we still successful. There's ne need they need, they can get any ad the baby, but the scale of the success and I'll never get to meet these, came close to that. So of unpacked that naturally with that. Hang on. It's a dead simple idea stolen

Speaker 3:

because it was a little bit different music but you show up and I was like, Oh, do you want here last year, another six months ago. I think it's pretty good. We should do for the like just fuck it. And then it goes off. We should just do it without much values. Bit. Well it was cool, mean not where you'll eat otherwise. I'm just not sure who it was. Just throwing. Not Potter. Boom late. No, I've get funds in Australia that by by my tee shirts and shit

Speaker 2:

that and cast is main back to clubs from his early days and venues that stand out. Well Joe Explains has expediencies dad and kicks off with a neat put on by Hector Frontman Louis.

Speaker 1:

We were used to run a nate and my game up strong. Get. Yeah, well it says one of the few pubs that in Glasgow apart for the old stale pops that has lasted the test of time, what you'll already be noise in the nightclubs that change hands every couple years depending on the music culture, the drug culture or whatever as it's going on up there. Turn that Maggie game is actually and they've got quite a nice performance space that the new steels and they'll. They had an eight called raise an incident and it was. It was a. It was a mixture of. It was one of the nights that that, that. That was one of the early examples of bringing in people from different genres and art forms and in one port was the thing that was bringing in the majority of the audience apart from obviously the alcohol, but then at the same team you walk kind of free like one dolphin and all that.

Speaker 1:

Ali, if you had the guitarist, singer, songwriter, comedians would come down and standing up in the air and we also, while they were running at the time we were there in a night and strawberry fields. It was called Straw, but if it became a video, blacks, but the venues have realized that he noticed I've been playing live, I necessarily for a long time and I've realized that each slave or you can have video because it's not for everybody and otherwise sound pretentious, but at East Lake have a stager. Boston venues that you'd be used to seeing all the time. Then you go on stage up. There's some things you make flip back. Then again, you know you play the oath to a few times. Then you slept back then and you'll be playing ivory black. Something we want you to sell tickets, you know, you'll be a schedule or something like that, but there's always, you can kind of gauge where you're at or where you want to be just based on the news, the bootcamp and what the terms are and always phoned that.

Speaker 1:

Eh, always found that like venues like box sleazy. He's tested on the extent old wet. So he brought me up to Sturgis. My gave me his um, people, people it used to be called and then there a, the venues, venues like that are great places to go and learn your trade, you know, trying new stuff in and sleazy marketing teams. But it's always just on my different clued about late. You see a lot of colors in face. He's not up, but like it's always just definitely knows there's people coming and going and coming and going to sleep. You'll get a good gauge in guard school and the audiences are. No, I no know their specific energy. Energy and under the action supportive. I mean I'll fucking jumping without fear or you just thought trump Nyclu just efforts. I was stage two fucking white stone on stone with them and it changes the whole dynamic that read through.

Speaker 1:

I just jumped in. Everybody was like, what the fuck? And I'm like on the interstate and then I'll, I fucking platform. That's what I'm doing. I'm just taking, I'm going with and it's such a symbolic thing like people see me, he's on my pedestal and it's like the is symbolic of that pedestal and I just sleep as soon as I take that step, but just nothing in me and it's evident to the people watching it. I'm just kind of half thinking when you're talking about physics credit because it made me remember that time that we had lab a lot for the lessons. That noise is part of what Macra and he, he a sort of AMC freestyle emceeing eight songs, but he's, he's the best freestyler everybody most entertaining freestyling and he's also gotten the base knowledge part and he's been in a nice light gags and like he is always stage diving.

Speaker 1:

When you were saying physics, which continent? And I cried and I remember when rob was up on stage. I kind of remember her. It was, it was performing. I don't think it was. I think he was there with somebody else and live it on stage. John like I don't know, a rapper that they knew like skinny man or something like that could be. I kind of remember the exact name of it was us either way, like every quarter. So that's quite a high stage. Like as far as stages in Glasgow go eight. And he was just like, you see them, you can see in the Far East Lake estates and the art, the music school and everybody's playing sizing up and he takes out on. He jumps and declared or just move it that way because he's at stoke, nobody's name. They don't even know no door. I said they'll meet up.

Speaker 1:

Know what I mean? Like he just cutting up and he just like Kinda operate that. You sort of worked. It could have been dead but he's just, he's, he's like a bmx all not all. And these fuckers, coffee's just these bodies toughies. I've seen him. What? Tick sign off for a broke his neck and he just gets up. What we're over in general just collect cecl back and and he saw it, but now I mean that would even it in the first place in case I just smashed on. Nicola that stage started yet, man. I'm fucking, I'm fucking. I'm pushing 15 Milan with whoever's Jimmy. Nice to

Speaker 1:

used to be a coach and see if it's a short. See this little gigs out yesterday at eight. So David specifically choose a venue because you really find St John's. He's parking it to the gunnels need that does each level of each stage of a new ones. Like people, people will say he's really up to top three up to the art school packed every time. So when we would stage dive then, I mean he, he moved. He's not necessarily by getting it in La but then mob what weight it was because it was mainly people that cost. They're bogged into the, the way it's displayed, the late ucla, she makes sure that makes sure that guy. And it's obviously a bit. That's good. Well done. Now I don't even think it was fold. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:

Well, I've, I've wouldn't have normally folded many places left on our logo. Huggins paint. Noida looked for a parked. There's a little bit one twin or something they could find on. It was like seven, eight people.

Speaker 5:

Maine. The jacket or the shaky knew. I don't meet people where he's uneasy. What did Jesus in Nicola's a leafy.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker 5:

Keeping yourself on an even keel. When did anybody can get your mail and you gave me a half an inch. If you have a dollar and you have the know how you made the, then the motor was feeling. Although Sunday you see what I'm throwing away school. When this

Speaker 2:

we don't really be. Would it be your name, Joel, how he goes about getting gigs. Joe, share some stories of gigs with prominent artists and how he's coping with his rising profile.

Speaker 1:

Did you find your way? I go ahead and gigs that you say you didn't get to try and fill out this for some time.

Speaker 3:

That line it just like my agent will just probably the press box and not to. It will obviously will even motor at festivals and try to get expert of monash. The Monash, she got a good diamond school. Well over 34. If maybe if after you saw in the last 18 months, 14, 18 months or something like a go say go sane with. Started doing business up on. My son just wants that label. You're not an agency really? Well. Maleness seemed lost. Those fucking Dj Premier Notley who they look after. This photo was not like a lake fucking killed as much. People like it asleep. Just my name on the roster than Canada. The Bolton, them sleep

Speaker 1:

funding going for one, one, one, one saying she'll be on their mind and then you move somebody else.

Speaker 3:

They. They do a lot for me. Leak. I'm glad. School, they'll manage to get a good few gigs, but they will just like Gangsta police use. I've never thought I would play like jazz coffee support and fucking fetal monch absolutely not. I was like all the, all my confidence Noida I've written just feed it out. We always fucking fetal monitor, maybe stone in rate. They'll wait and take one toilet because it's obviously Simon says and all that just usual jazz band. It was um, there's Ezra collective and he was doing

Speaker 1:

well. So it was a live band.

Speaker 3:

He was the only ptsd used enough. You try that out and just my leak, I can't even remember how I was just like, I'm always just,

Speaker 7:

I've done

Speaker 1:

male support slots now Kevin Remember. And Actually Connie, remember half of them they call it the neck. I got myself in a lot of support, mean nervous and you'll leak and I wasn't even nailed restaurant a be honest at that point I was too cocky. I thought I could go and Dina shore no matter what Naca was done. Do you know what I mean? So I couldn't see and I was at a point where I could see the opportunities in front. Yes. And I, I mean I obviously had that great time but like the gigs that I was dating in Glasgow and Edinburgh support and kind of, you know, people groups like the American act, local support and, or cookie, ultra magnetic royster five, nine d 12, like. So we have commercial stuff and then male white undergoing stuff and just a whole big bag but just so many times like I would be a either our DDA for gay, it actually high and I would then drop dead something.

Speaker 1:

Gentleness. Sure. Judgment, General. I mean like right at a point where I should have been taken advantage of the opportunities. It was just a hideout. My perspective is skewed, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's, it's like I get mixed feelings when I hear you talk about like support and fetal mines because it's like a one and one half. I'm more, I'm, I'm, I'm happy for you and happy for a minute. And all the Honda I've got, I said some degree, a bit opposite. Easier. Hudson? Similar. Well either I was just being too cocky and I was just to Steven and like for me as a law, it took me our way. A lot of emotional associations with venues. Anybody that drinks too much, the pubs are not say on a map where they love. So it's like everywhere I go, if I may not pop up, whatever I've got, I made me to be in there and have something go and done that like um, new necessarily upload the chapter but so lakes don't feel attached to that you can go and now and sort of like re stamp myself on it and a different kind of way.

Speaker 1:

I mean I know it's kind of selling and I'm not even hanging that, that the end times at the venues is even going to be remembered by anybody. I mean who, who cares what other people did.

Speaker 1:

So when I go, I mean I don't even really go that much now. I don't have time and those are set on sale today. Showed that people that didn't make him drink and then they start agitate me and I just have to know. So I see it's walking to amend a for something. I was stuck up here and see how well but I'll just be in the background. So it's like the turning innovative news or a totally new than they used to be. Like I used to know people imagine like life will foot nice things and I used to know a lot. I used to think every knee or no god and that I knew it's like the opposite and there I'm like, I've got a date. No, I'm in venues. That piano performance, Ego dncs that snow. Even rapping and dog. So it's a grownup.

Speaker 1:

So you though we're wrapping up. Pop not as you see. I've, I'm, I'm just getting out point. What I'm getting older. Fault for boys. Your size. Young guys like your size. It's your time to come in and like we'd done it but then it's all about moving and I'm young again. That's not really because we'll just use those who moved away from the music stuff for our book. Brought a pair of shoes. I mean when I go, we're not just shows but I just leave. I'm just as passionate abut rob and I stole release high quality material, but it's like I'm on here to be trying out a new and coming your prototype.

Speaker 1:

You free yourself without desire for success and you know you'll be supportive, but it's before when I was mayor Kenney Ridge, I was called all patented rivalries and also realized, and this is something that's happened at every venue I've ever played that can go as you go. As I didn't realize that back then. Even back then I was so competitive. I saw everybody. Everybody's appeal. So when I was being competitive with them, like I was coming across, it's like snobby or advocate towards them, but they didn't realize it was caused. I saw them as equal. So they'll or you're located. They want me to be supportive. They want me back. Whereas I'm trying to kill you, man. You're not rapper. And so people can you last name often you'll with

Speaker 3:

me. I'm trying to walk on my own shit. You. No, I mean I still have that ego Stoli and makers. I need 10 minute leak if I have it. Like who's going it? Who has it? Who has it like my age? No, lately people on the trial. So it's different noodles like competitive ages. It's been phone will do over the years. Inevitably just average people, average Pilsen's just stopped out softer, but, but more than clean tear lesson than than than the act. Do you know what I mean? And I like to try and lead. I like to listen, but you need to hold off and go on my name and see what all y'all. My name is Sila regardless of what anybody. I can install it on our stage in Boston. Acappella fuck. I'll beat and people will clap it in.

Speaker 1:

I see that South Africa, it's a truly major. No, I mean not swelling. You got a desperate class of what assists for me. See, most of the stuff that I'm writing, I can perform it. Fucking wavy music. Hang. See any venue that I go away, Tom put me on. We're a poor at a rate on an author, whoever laid out few. Confident. The other woman, the animal,

Speaker 3:

Julie [inaudible]. I want people to use the height. They believe they're buying into hype and the the, the gives them that boost the leak on being an artist. I'm not, I'm just using the tones of the woods in, in, in fucking a bit with my perch and using and using all these other trucks in this. Like when you strip it down to its bare bones and take the job, take the late. We take the fucking the cool clothes in the. In this wagon order, whatever you buy. Call it t quarter. Are we in it's sleek shape fucking sheet and it's not in the outline that you can grab a candy floss at sleep. No food for thought. It's late year, but you take it, you put it in your mouth. If it dissolves on your tongue, tastes nice. Whatever you bought. Beaumont, it's just pure. I'd rather it. I'm human. I draw, sat done and have to digest something and then have to build out. What the fuck was he meaningful? Why try fake audio and just trying to figure it out else's body language on stage to try and get late. Because when you're onstage, I don't care who you are early, you change different. It was just my nails. I'll deal, but it's late. Y'all come wheeled mit fuel a Samurai or something when I want to stay. Usually

Speaker 1:

General Engagio, Gigi. I kind of slip up about if you take the leap beyond the anxiety and see what

Speaker 3:

I needed a job slip in, pop off that pocket of people without breaking the jump. Britain defeated a jump. Do you know what I mean? Like you're not kit something my feeling because it's like your brain has the Boston flake off. Fuck, I could do that. Like I was so scared. No, not done. Not before it was. I was so scared to do it and I thought I'd never be able to do it. And it's like boom. Once you break fearless wanted him to fucking best feelings in the world. Especially when you see people you look, you see not. I used the leak screaming your legs back or something. Sleep. It's modeling. I love that. I love the upwardly intimate venues where you can be like almost an ill will you just kind of like, you can just step off the stage as well. Shit, I literally, it's

Speaker 1:

sci places that when you see that as mayor can up sort of Vegan street, to be honest, there's some things they venues on good because if you get what does that is in deep those, a mono stereo as well and those will always forget. It's such a famous pop this things nor fault I thought these nor what the venues we used to have basement breaks and uh, which was one of the foster care gap needs of the happening when I was coming up and it would always be like how I act plus on May be some battles or whatever happened in India a bit. But the biggest value, the more significant, very new for me that have most memories of, as the school frequent intervals, every false. It was an institution that was almost to the minute I step to the scene. That was a thing that the older generation that will come at some more take me under her wing.

Speaker 1:

Otherwise we're being attacked to me over from what the sales effort as the years went on the lake, that that's where I really became plugged in. The hip hop scene in the community, that was where everybody went in order different colors would be there bboys to be ghettos, eh? The, the other djs obviously they're my lace with dg four for free photos up there. It'd be fair in love and I called them all in and then we'd be at the time I was living in supported accommodation in media. How so? What? I was just bouncing away where you're talking about your life as in what kind of roughing it a bit and sort of what law and order. What y'all. I had gone into my volleyball was just didn't bbc there and they want to talk to me about. I'm sitting in their host and I'm under counseling for Valium and all that.

Speaker 1:

Just, you know what I mean? I'm like, what does that mean? I'm just mad cecil and it's just like, like for me, if I didn't have what they see, they see that stuff that that's how I started. I was, wasn't for the pop, like nate's, I mean there's not as many of them knew Kinda what the day, what phd and the only ones out. But we're not at the torch and earl it fucking your student. It's always all the student patches always been there. Do you know what I mean? I'd say like pasty in some of the producers, the, the chaw and know that I really provided in less time zone was late and, and, and, and, and helping other people find their way and it needs new zones because it's dead easy for the older generation and go, oh, that started stuff like my stuff's better and I dealt with when I was younger, but I actually see when you actually get into Kinda the floor of the new stuff, the new stones and that you actually seats quite sophisticated, let it sonically and, and just having Avenia for people to have that experience is so important.

Speaker 1:

And a outskirt even stole even stole is why did the best venues and law school, the seven system, the feel of the place and then it's no fun. It should exhibition yet to get out in the art school or something. A Buddhist scholar be Batman depth than the average place. Screws are clovers, beggars, few spaciousness, as good as I call it, like Ali contentment, but see I can do the until my gigs all the time up. I can place known, arguing they like to beat north and lake. See, especially when it's parked. Once you break places, part of the story, even if you'll support them someday, have his hip hop influence other aspects of their life. You need gas at a level I've experienced, but a lot of times people can get confused. Not that that's my cell phone. Many years they can get confused. They can confuse that lovely.

Speaker 1:

A drinking culture. I love for live music. And actually it's interesting when you, when you don't drink as much or you go do it and drink it. Suddenly I went after in a different ways, you know what I mean? Like, and, and actually I lost a lot of fork and quoted my sale. Like um, no, I don't go in with manulife shorts and, and you know, and that's just because I actually, like I'm most passionate. But why use music as they used to be in, that's why my life. Sure. And you know what I mean, I'm raw and the make and always have been, but at the same time in my life show that they didn't pay that much attention. I was more interested in the process of writing the songs, listening to beats, making this stuff, seeing it become something. She had an Irap.

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So that's what I meant. So mostly I'm so afraid in eight salad, what you go, let's eat at talking to them a bit. My ct and steps and that took me a long tape. It grew my confidence because I wasn't getting feedback for them. But when I read something and my head, I'm hating what's. But I ain't facial expression when he heals this. Which Scott's expression when he heals us, the fast team. Do you know what I mean? Like, because I remember towards the end of my drinking when I was hanging out with them and his rating was really that good, but I thought it was so I'd be willing to make for 20 minutes. Right. I'm expecting the actions of people and they will like it, then it won't hurt my feelings. You know what I mean? I think because I was quite sensitive at that point, I know I saw this problem probably best noisier data.

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Again, it's no good enough. You know what I mean? So like it's, it's, it's nice. It's nice to sort of be a point newbill white. I can rate material and decide for myself whether it's good or no, but I know back in my main that's always fighting up at these venues, these experiences that were hired and how really it, I mean every day in a way, whether it's a book, whether that thing, whether it's talking about ally an ally. Sure. A to our blessings are common in my life or comms feel lucky when I went out an article in a paper and I'm like, can we just use my name because I'll hear it through heavy, modified seen in front of our classroom. We those and relish in the ally. No, we need to put work in it. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm trying to just embrace it, you know, and realize it comes further out or these venues each places.

Speaker 1:

When I was with my mates, just loving music. Like I've gotten in the way that I'm going to provide for my son or comes from pop culture venues in Glasgow and music venues and actually I can be a better way to demonstrate the antibodies, stay in music, whatever as it. Then you can really at the. I mean you're getting it and again, just like sheer force of old stuff on this. I'm doing this, I'm the one tasting it. Hope you hang out candidate. It's getting done. Do you know what I mean? And what glaze guy. Not saying this is buying these 80 or something that you could go a lab.

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